An article appeared in a National Newspaper, recently. The article as well as my counter point on it, below
THE POINT
Veer Ka Teer
Wagging tongue, waging war
by Vir Sanghvi
February 27, 2005 - Hindustan Times
Have you heard a good sardarji joke recently? Has something about Santa and Banta brought a smile to your lips? Perhaps you have chuckled at a sardarji joke in Khushwant Singh’s column.
If so, beware. You might have caused offence to the Sikh quom. Millions of sardarjis might have been mortally offended by your laughter. You could well have struck a blow against the minorities.
Oh yes, I am being entirely serious.
Take the case of the film Shabd. I haven’t seen the movie — and judging by the box-office receipts, neither have most of you — but I gather that there is a scene that goes something like this: Zayed Khan is trying to cheer Aishwarya Rai up.
He decides to tell her a sardarji joke. He gets as far as saying, “There was a sardarji,” when Aishwarya dissolves into helpless giggles. He never gets to complete the joke. < Fair enough, you say. We’ve all told sardarji jokes at some time or the other. And as for Ash’s giggles, these are of no great consequence either. Aishwarya giggles incessantly, no matter whether you ask her what the time is or tell her a joke.
But no, this seemingly innocuous scene has now become the subject of a controversy. Angry Sikhs stormed the offices of Pritish Nandy Communications who made the film. There were demands that the scene be deleted forthwith.
The film was anti-Sikh, it was claimed. The pride of the Sikh quom had been hurt. The whole thing was an attack on the minorities.
The moral of the story is: don’t tell sardarji jokes because some sardarjis can’t take a joke.
But why single out the Sikhs? Let’s take the example of India’s Christians. Way back in the 1970s, Jesus Christ Superstar, the Tim Rice — Andrew Lloyd Weber musical was turned into a Hollywood film.
By the time the movie was imported into India, Jesus Christ Superstar was already well-known as the hit play that had rocked Broadway. It had even been staged in Bombay by Alyque Padamsee.
So you would expect Christians to welcome the filmed version of a musical that had been such a success in the Christian world and which venerated the life of the messiah.
Wrong!
When it was time to censor the film, Christian groups objected. The film was anti-Christian, they declared. It did not show enough respect to Jesus Christ. It should be banned.
To its eternal shame, the Censor Board refused to certify Jesus Christ Superstar and the film was never shown in India.
It did not matter that no Christian country banned it. It did not matter that nobody of consequence anywhere in the Christian world regarded the movie as being anti-Christian. And it did not matter that the play on which the film was based had already been staged in India.
A minority said that its religion was being attacked. And this was enough to have the film banned.
Let’s take a more recent example. The Censor Board has certified a Hindi film called Sins. According to newspaper accounts of its plot, the movie features a priest who does some unpriestly things including indulging in the pleasures of the flesh.
Christian groups are on the warpath once again. Never mind the censors, they say. Sins is anti-Christian. How dare the film-maker depict a priest as being all too human? This is an insult to India’s minorities. Ban the movie, they scream, otherwise Christians will be offended.
The Censor Board held firm; at least one court has rejected a Christian petition seeking to have the film banned, and Sins was released last week.
But still, the campaign continues. And now, the protesters have found a new kind of legitimacy. The Minorities Commission has got in on the act. There is a danger, it suggests, that a religious minority might be offended. Perhaps the authorities should re-examine the issue and consider censoring or banning the film to avoid causing hurt to India’s Christians.
There are several issues at stake here. One of these is the role of the Minorities Commission. Readers with relatively long memories will recall that this current, ludicrous avatar of the Commission consists of a Chairman and members who did not utter one word of condemnation against Narendra Modi when Muslims were being massacred on the street of Gujarat. (It was left to the National Human Rights Commission to take on the mass murderer and to try and stop the genocide.)
Having failed to stand up for the minorities when it really mattered, this pathetic body is now poking its nose into Hindi cinema on behalf of the forces of intolerance while claiming to fight for minority rights.
More important is the question of whether Indians have a sense of humour. Whatever else you may say about the mood of the country today, it is clearly not anti-Sikh. We have our first Sikh Prime Minister and he is probably among the two or three most respected politicians in the country today, admired even by those who did not vote for his party.
The sardarji joke, like all ethnic humour, is part of a good-natured Indian tradition and hardly an example of any kind of anti-minority felling.
Sikhs themselves often tell the best sardarji jokes — Khushwant Singh’s column is a good example — and one indication that India’s Sikh minority had regained its confidence after the traumas of the 1980s (Bluestar, the Delhi massacres, etc) was when Sikhs began telling sardarji jokes again.
For anybody to claim that a sardarji joke in a Hindi movie is an insult to Sikhs is plain silly. The protestors against Shabd should learn to develop a sense of humour.
As for Sins, are there no dodgy Christian priests? Are Christian holy men deserving of a special reverence in Hindi cinema?
Let’s look at the Christian world where dodgy priests crop up frequently in cinema and popular fiction. The biggest bestseller of this decade, for instance, The Da Vinci Code, is dedicated to the proposition that the entire Christian church is based on a distortion of the historical Jesus. But no developed Christian country has banned the book and it will soon be turned into a movie with Tom Hanks.
So why should Christians claim rights in India that they do not have even in countries such as England where Christianity is the state religion? Do they think that they are entitled to some special consideration only because they are a minority?
And finally, the key question: When is it proper to abridge the right to free speech in a liberal democracy?
In India, we seem to have tacitly accepted the foolish and dangerous principle that free speech can be sacrificed anytime somebody claims that he is offended.
But the whole point of the right to free speech is that it gives us the right to offend. Each time I criticise the government (or this week, the Minorities Commission) in this column, I know that I will offend somebody.
All criticism is, by definition, offensive to its targets. So, take away the right to offend and you castrate the right to free speech and rob it of all meaning. If I were to only write goody-goody things that offended nobody, then I wouldn’t need the right to free speech.
And yet, all too often, we miss the point and reach for the censor’s pencil, arguing that such and such individual will be offended or that such and such community will be hurt. In the process, we seriously diminish the principle of free speech.
Let’s take the case of Shabd. The obvious thing to do is to tell any Sikh who finds sardarji jokes offensive not to go and see the film. Just because some Sikh is offended by a sardarji joke, it does not follow that the rest of us lose the right to enjoy the joke.
So it is with Sins and the worldly priest. If some Christians are traumatised by the thought that there might be some dodgy priests, then they should stay at home, avoid seeing the film and cling to their naivety. They have no right to deny me the opportunity to see the film.
Ultimately, our right to freedom of expression and our right to free access to books, movies and newspapers is far, far greater than the right of sensitive Sikhs not to be hurt by sardarji jokes or of naïve Christians to deny that there may be dodgy priests. Start suspending the principle of freedom of speech to protect people’s illusions and you end up destroying the very basis of the liberal society.
The examples I have chosen are simple and self-evident. But the issue can get more complex. Should Deepa Mehta’s Water have been made even if showed the shameful way in which Hindus treat widows? Should the Satanic Verses have been published even if Muslims were so offended that they threatened to riot?
In every case, I would argue: yes. If Hindus treat widows badly, then let’s not be scared of letting this be shown on screen. If Muslims are offended by The Satanic Verses, then they should refrain from reading the book. Censorship is not the answer.
All truth has the power to offend. Take away the offence and you end up suppressing the truth
COUNTER POINT
Kulveer bina Teer
I am restricting my counter point to the Sikh part of the debate; and dont wish to get into an argument on behalf of other issues raised in the article.
- "All truth has the power to offend. Take away the offence and you end up suppressing the truth.".... So, does he mean to say that it is TRUE that Sikhs are Morons and Jokers as portrayed in the 'truthful jokes'. I hope he understands what he means to say.
- IF one would agree to his thesis about Sikh jokes being correct because they are a 'part of our good natured tradition' , why dont we agree with all old traditions - The Sati (Widow suicide), Dowry, Female infanticide etc. If all ancient and historical traditions are adhered to, we might as well return to the 'stone age'
- Also, about the advise that Sikhs who cant take a joke must learn to ignore such jokes, in order to honour the 'right to freedom of speec'. Tell that to a five year old child who comes home crying due to this “Good Natured Tradition“. (I cant help but repeat this point, again and again...)
- He says - All criticism is, by definition, offensive to its targets. - Does this imply that Sikh jokes are a valid 'criticism' of that community.
If Vir Sanghvi, the editor of THE 'Hindustan Times” seriously believes in what he has written up; about the Sardarji jokes being a reflection of the truth, and a valid criticism of the 'targets' (in this case the Sikhs); then whatever I write here should not be making any difference. A readership of 10,000 (more or less) on this blog against a readership of 1 million (or more! for Hindustan Times). Do we stand a chance here??
I believe we do!!. Because Truth is on our side.. You only reach your destination if you take the first step..
posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:24 PM
Comments
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 1/26/2006 9:12 PM Kulveer Singh
Dear Amardeep,
I agree with most of what you say about Vir Sanghvi's limited aptitude for empathy. However, paining all Hindus with the same brush wont be correct. Just go through the comments on this blog, wherein almost all people have shown an understanding of our concerns when we point it out to them.
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# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 1/26/2006 1:28 AM AMARDEEP
people like vir sanghvi who have burning ass against minorities in general and sikhs in particular have unfortunately become editors of national dailies who love to black mail whole society in the name of free press.
can their be any joke on majority comunity in hindi films? NO. just because of simple reason that producers do not have guts to say any thing about great hindus.
sanghvi targets the present chairman of national comission for minorities who happens to be a sikh intentinally which shows he has something against sikhs.
sanghvi writes "Just because some Sikh is offended by a sardarji joke, it does not follow that the rest of us lose the right to enjoy the joke" implies
"Just because some hindu is offended by a comment on their caste, it does not follow that the rest of us lose the right to enjoy the comment"
Mr.sanghvi these very things are sowing the seeds of division of india in future.
If jokes on sikhs is justified then terrorism by muslims and sikhs is also justified.
"Just because some hindu is offended by a comment on their caste, it does not follow that the rest of us lose the right to enjoy the comment"
Mr.sanghvi these very things are sowing the seeds of division of india in future.
If jokes on sikhs is justified then terrorism by muslims and sikhs is also justified.
sanghvi writes "We have our first Sikh Prime Minister and he is probably among the two or three most respected politicians in the country today, admired even by those who did not vote for his party"
now we all know that 1st sikh PM of india is not elected but a chosen one he is not a politition but a bureaucrat, chosen as a prime minister by person of italian origon and not by indian masses.
majority of india (hindus) dont have guts to choose a person from minority as a PM, a country where democracy is limited to caste and religion can not elect a person from minority as a PM. this is what to say about mood of country today.
sanghvi misleads in his artical as he is very clever but not intelligent as he might thinks of himself.
majority of india (hindus) dont have guts to choose a person from minority as a PM, a country where democracy is limited to caste and religion can not elect a person from minority as a PM. this is what to say about mood of country today.
sanghvi misleads in his artical as he is very clever but not intelligent as he might thinks of himself.
Hindustan times is one of the worst news papers in the country carring more of masala news than real informative stuff.sanghvi writes these types of articals to increase circulation of his paper by entertaining majority community of india as he knows our country is already divided on the basis of religion.
i am definately offended by reading his article as he will be, by reading my comments on him and his news paper. Remove Comment
i am definately offended by reading his article as he will be, by reading my comments on him and his news paper. Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Poin 8/18/2005 10:44 AM Kulveer Singh
I get your perspective on Vir Sanghvi's article; because the explanations you give for his quotes are a reflection of your 'world view'. But again, read that article again.
Sanghvi has clearly (CLEARLY) tried to say that Sardar Jokes are a reflection of the 'truth' which needs to be propagated by the Free Press, even if it hurts a few sensitive souls like me.
I have not been writing about me as a five year old; I have been trying to protect our children from the alienation they would feel as they grow up. The basic Title of my Blog - The Joke is on us, but please save our children their tears.
Kaushik, this is a sensitive topic, and I hope you dont take it as just a sentimental outburst. This is NOT a sentimental outburst, but has been started as a long lone journey, trying to make a difference to the society we live in. Refer to the qualitative study of 'ethnic jokes' vis a vis Sardarji jokes on my post at http://o3.indiatimes.com/sardarji/archive/2005/07/06/165594.aspx . I have done an extensive study on this, but I think that it is beyond the undrestanding of most people, so I have not mentioned it on my blog.
Sardarji jokes are UNLIKE other such ethnic jokes; primarily because they are the only one that are targeted at a religious community. THIS IS A REAL PROBLEM, TRUST ME, ASK ANY SIKH PARENT..
I try not to be personal, and so for your personal views about me; well I chose not to reply to those. Perhaps, if you can write to my email at kulveer@india.com; I could! Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 8/18/2005 1:34 AM Kaushik
Kulveer, I think you are informative and strong on content on the one hand but oversentimental on the other.
I think you should read Sanghvi's article all over again and see how you've misunderstood what he's saying.
1. "All truth has the power to offend. Take away the offence and you end up suppressing the truth.".... So, does he mean to say that it is TRUE that Sikhs are Morons and Jokers as portrayed in the 'truthful jokes'. I hope he understands what he means to say.
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Well, sanghvi has only one point in this article. That of the nation bowing to sentimentalists. He uses the sardar joke as one point to prove this. Another point he uses is that of truth as in salman Rishdie's book. Another point is about christian priests.
You are confusing the first point with the others.
I think you should read Sanghvi's article all over again and see how you've misunderstood what he's saying.
1. "All truth has the power to offend. Take away the offence and you end up suppressing the truth.".... So, does he mean to say that it is TRUE that Sikhs are Morons and Jokers as portrayed in the 'truthful jokes'. I hope he understands what he means to say.
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Well, sanghvi has only one point in this article. That of the nation bowing to sentimentalists. He uses the sardar joke as one point to prove this. Another point he uses is that of truth as in salman Rishdie's book. Another point is about christian priests.
You are confusing the first point with the others.
2. IF one would agree to his thesis about Sikh jokes being correct because they are a 'part of our good natured tradition' , why dont we agree with all old traditions - The Sati (Widow suicide), Dowry, Female infanticide etc. If all ancient and historical traditions are adhered to, we might as well return to the 'stone age'
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So, you mean that a sikh joke is equal to Sati??? Please try and undestand what you are trying to say. I think some people like you are overreacting to this silly issue. This is basically a non-issue that does not deserve so many comments. We all respect sikhs for thieir spirit. One part of it is that they make jokes on themselves. Besides, this is not exactly an ancient tradition and not everything about ancient India was bad. I think you are taking things too far. I don't think sikhs became a prosperous community by being so sissy. I agree with funny deol's comment on this. There are many kinds of sardars - some take and make jokes, some only take jokes and some like you are averse to that as well. But somewhere down the line, you are taking things too personally.
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So, you mean that a sikh joke is equal to Sati??? Please try and undestand what you are trying to say. I think some people like you are overreacting to this silly issue. This is basically a non-issue that does not deserve so many comments. We all respect sikhs for thieir spirit. One part of it is that they make jokes on themselves. Besides, this is not exactly an ancient tradition and not everything about ancient India was bad. I think you are taking things too far. I don't think sikhs became a prosperous community by being so sissy. I agree with funny deol's comment on this. There are many kinds of sardars - some take and make jokes, some only take jokes and some like you are averse to that as well. But somewhere down the line, you are taking things too personally.
3. Also, about the advise that Sikhs who cant take a joke must learn to ignore such jokes, in order to honour the 'right to freedom of speec'. Tell that to a five year old child who comes home crying due to this “Good Natured Tradition“. (I cant help but repeat this point, again and again...)
He says - All criticism is, by definition, offensive to its targets. - Does this imply that Sikh jokes are a valid 'criticism' of that community.
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Sikh jokes are not a criticism, pal, and that is where you are going wrong. You are taking things too seriously. Children joking about someone perceived to be different is a worldwide phenomenon. Sikhs are not absolved of this in, either. Why are there annual cassettes about biharis in punjab, then - and these are not children, mind you. Children teasing you was sad, indeed. But Grow Up. You are not 5 years old any more. And chances are those same children will not tease you any more, unless you are teased. The teased are teased all the more - golden rule alll over the world.
I believe Sanghvi is right here that those who have personal problems with an interpretation or depictin of one's community need not follow that interpretation or depiction (otherwise, we will never be able to make any films with any negative characters). In fact, I don't understand why you brought sikh jokes under this point at all. Is it THAT serious? If it is, then tell your folks to stop making fun of madrasis, biharis, bengalis, etc. Well, you call us Biharis 'bhayyas' right, which is a derogatory term for you (Sikhs don't like being called bhayyas). Bhayya means 'elder brother' in our parts an it is a respectful salutation. What are you doing to end this 'horror story'?
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And I didn't think funny deol has a sick mind. I think you need a sense of humour, pal. Get fresh. Not personal. If you keep sobbing, you will forever remain in that 5-year shell. Remove Comment
He says - All criticism is, by definition, offensive to its targets. - Does this imply that Sikh jokes are a valid 'criticism' of that community.
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Sikh jokes are not a criticism, pal, and that is where you are going wrong. You are taking things too seriously. Children joking about someone perceived to be different is a worldwide phenomenon. Sikhs are not absolved of this in, either. Why are there annual cassettes about biharis in punjab, then - and these are not children, mind you. Children teasing you was sad, indeed. But Grow Up. You are not 5 years old any more. And chances are those same children will not tease you any more, unless you are teased. The teased are teased all the more - golden rule alll over the world.
I believe Sanghvi is right here that those who have personal problems with an interpretation or depictin of one's community need not follow that interpretation or depiction (otherwise, we will never be able to make any films with any negative characters). In fact, I don't understand why you brought sikh jokes under this point at all. Is it THAT serious? If it is, then tell your folks to stop making fun of madrasis, biharis, bengalis, etc. Well, you call us Biharis 'bhayyas' right, which is a derogatory term for you (Sikhs don't like being called bhayyas). Bhayya means 'elder brother' in our parts an it is a respectful salutation. What are you doing to end this 'horror story'?
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And I didn't think funny deol has a sick mind. I think you need a sense of humour, pal. Get fresh. Not personal. If you keep sobbing, you will forever remain in that 5-year shell. Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Poin 7/8/2005 11:14 AM Kulveer
Dear Funny Deol
Some more Pakistani links for your enlightenment. I am sure you will like the jokes on this one
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Poin 7/8/2005 11:06 AM Kulveer
Dear Funny Deol, (why hide your name in anonymity), finally you speak something original; :)...
Two wrongs do not make a right. We can not justify the Sardar jokes on the plea that this is a general phenomenon, and other communities are also the butt of such jokes. Jokes across ethnicities are not the same as a joke on religions; and also Sardar jokes outnumber other such jokes by a substantial margin. So, while teasing anybody for a Tilak is bad, so is it to tease anybody with a Turban.
There is currently an SMS going on amongst Sardars, advising all Sardars to replace the word Sardarji, by Lalaji, or Panditji, before forwarding the jokes. I find it pathetic. I have never done it. And I never will. I rather replace the generic terms by a more specific Santa or Banta or Johnny or whatever.
It is not about my experience as a Kid, it is about the experience of all Sikh kids across the country. I am a parent now of a four year old kid now, and much water has blown over the bridge since I was a kid. But things are still the same. Ask any sikh parent outside the Punjab and Delhi. He will tell the same story.
So, now Funny Deol, you are now a grown up, you are not a kid anymore; and when you say such jokes on Sardars, Pandits, Pathans or whatever, you must also be saying them in presence of immature kids who dont have your 'secular' credentials to understand that they dont mean. And you are sowing the seeds of this 'culture' young. Children can be cruel with each other, they are not bound by the mores of the society. If they are told by their parents that Sardars are morons, they will believe it, and will behave accordingly with the lone Sardar in their class. It all flows down from the parents.
What do you say, when somebody in your office that cant argue with you just say that "Sardarji, Barah Baje hue hain, thodi der baad baat karenge!" You can see examples of this kind on this very blog. Or when you are standing with your father at a ceremony, and an unknown person comes and says to your father - "kya baat hai, 5 aadmi or ek sardar.."
But since you are such a persistant joke-er, I would like to increase your repertoire of Sardarji jokes, through some Pakistani sites, where your Sardar brothers are being laughed at: come on give them some more ideas as well, send them some high quality Sardarji jokes.
http://www.shabbir.com/pak/humor/jokes.html
http://forums.understanding-islam.org/community/archive/index.php?t-572.html
http://forums.understanding-islam.org/community/archive/index.php?t-572.html
And buddy, never mind my sentiments; I am cool, and not at all sentimental about this. And I am aware of the fact that Sikhs like Khushwant Singh tell the best Sardar jokes. But then he is one of the 'classes' and doesnt have to directly interact with the masses.
And if you think I am making a mountain out of a molehill, I know that is a fact, because that is my intention. Nobody focusses on a molehill till it becomes a mountain. The molehill takes many forms, if not set right, the bombs onthe movie was one example (and no, I dont approve of the bombs); and then it takes the form of seperatism, terrorism and results in the killing of a Prime minister.Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 7/7/2005 5:51 PM Funny Deol
Oye Kulveer Ji,
I do not believe that sardarji jokes are a Racial generalization of the community at all.The fact is that it can go for any community and it does happen .You seem to be making a point that it is only the sikh ommunity which is the butt of all the jokes in India which is absolutely false as in any joke site you will find jokes on Tamilians (Madrasis), bengalis,Marwaris,sindhis,gujjus, maharashtrians.I have seen many sardars including some of my own sardar friends who get Irritated with sardar jokes but laugh their heart out when I send the same jokes via SMS to them replacing the SARDAR with a Bihari Or a Pathan etc and also make community jokes themselves.There are so many of your own community , believe me , who actually enjoy sardar jokes a lot .Take Khushwant singh for example.If u get a chance do please read his article on the Jobole so nihal film in Outlook Mag.Most of These jokes which go around in sms and websites are just harmless fun equally made and enjoyed by ALL commmunities and it is not at all like all everybody gangs up to tease or irritatate any particular community and This is not racism at all! Regarding your unfortunate experiences as a child .Kids teasing someone who differs somewhat in appearance in not uncommon anywhere and as they grow up and understand it stops .And again let me sress that it can happen to any community .In my class it was in fact the sardar kids in Chandigarh who used to tease the south indians for their Tilaks and white powders on their foreheads ans their funny english accents! Mate , its not a one sided senti affair after all! So my advice to u would be take things in the right spirit and stop making mountains out of molehills! Enjoy jokes and Bolo tararara! Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Poin 7/7/2005 2:04 PM Kulveer Singh
Dear Not so Funny, and Not at all Deol,
Your latest joke, though somewhat charitable to Sardars, is still a racial generalisation and more-over is a very old joke too, heard by me when I was in class one. Some original ideas! pleez!
No gussa from me buddy; infact a sense of surprise at the total and absolute lack of empathy in your mind to a point of view that might not be entirely wrong. Racial generalisation of any sort is not entirely the mature thing to do.
I have met so many people in my life, who think they are being funny by laughing at the expense of Sardars. But believe me, it is'nt funny for a child who gets his hair pulled in school, because of this culture (or lack of culture!). I hope you have read through the first and second posts of mine.
About war, enemy soldiers are said to have deserted their trenches in fear, when the Sikh battle-cry of "Bole So Nihal, Sat Sri Akal" rang out..., Sikhs didnt even have to resort to trickery to fool them.
I'll write a detailed post on this history, with facts, as soon as I get the time. Just stay tuned to this blog. Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 7/7/2005 12:52 PM Funny Deol
Oye sardarji,
Gussa kyun karte ho? chalo i ll put this one.This one is definitely for sardarji smartness
Sardar at his best
Scene: Trench warfare on Pakistan border, Sikh regiment on one side.
Kartar Singh gets a bright idea, shouts, "Oye Abdul!"
A guy gets up from other trench, "Kya hai be"
Kartar Singh shoots!! BANG. The guy is shot dead!
Scene: Trench warfare on Pakistan border, Sikh regiment on one side.
Kartar Singh gets a bright idea, shouts, "Oye Abdul!"
A guy gets up from other trench, "Kya hai be"
Kartar Singh shoots!! BANG. The guy is shot dead!
Kartar Singh shouts again, "Oye Karim"
2 guys stand up, "Kya hai saala"
BANG BANG both khalaas and gone
2 guys stand up, "Kya hai saala"
BANG BANG both khalaas and gone
Kartar Singh shouts again,"Oye Mustafa!"
2 more, BANG-BANG! dono khalaas!
2 more, BANG-BANG! dono khalaas!
Pakis get worried, they think: Saala Sardarji log, when did they get so smart? They decide to try the trick themselves.
"Abe Gurdev Singh"
silence
"Oye Gurdev Singh!!"
silence
silence
"Oye Gurdev Singh!!"
silence
"O bhai, Gurdev Singh!"
This time some one says, "Gurdev Singh ko kaun bula raha hai re?"
Paki gets up, "Main"
BANG! He goes!
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# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Poin 7/7/2005 10:11 AM Kulveer Singh
Signs of a Sardar - Funny Deol!.... I pity your state of mind, to have pasted these sick jokes on this forum. Grow up man!!
The least that you could have done was to invent some good jokes on your own rather than cutting and pasting some 'stale jokes', here.. I am letting them remain on my page, as a sign of the maturity (or immaturity) of people roaming this blog-site. I expect people to put some original ideas here. If your 'brain' cant even write a few original lines, you dont deserve to blog. Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 7/6/2005 8:31 PM Funny Deol
Sign of a Sardar
You should be sure the person is Sardar when he puts lipstick on the forehead because he wants to makeup his mind.
gets stabbed in a shoot-out. sends a fax with a postage stamp on it. tries to drown a fish in waters.
thinks socialism means partying. trips over a cordless phone.
takes a ruler to bed to see how long he slept.
At the bottom of the application where it says "Sign Here" he puts "Sagittarius.
" studies for a blood test and fails. sells the car for gas money. misses the 44 bus, and takes the 22 twice instead.
drives to the airport and sees a sign that said,
"Airport left", he turns around and goes home. gets locked in Furniture Shop and sleeps on the floor.
gets stabbed in a shoot-out. sends a fax with a postage stamp on it. tries to drown a fish in waters.
thinks socialism means partying. trips over a cordless phone.
takes a ruler to bed to see how long he slept.
At the bottom of the application where it says "Sign Here" he puts "Sagittarius.
" studies for a blood test and fails. sells the car for gas money. misses the 44 bus, and takes the 22 twice instead.
drives to the airport and sees a sign that said,
"Airport left", he turns around and goes home. gets locked in Furniture Shop and sleeps on the floor.
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 7/6/2005 8:28 PM Funny deol
One day two sardars met and started chatting. The main topic of the conversation was about how others view sardars.
They felt that sardars are being ridiculed too much by others.
They wanted to teach others a good lesson. Soon they had a plan for that.
Said one Sardar to the other, "We two will go to beach tomorrow morning.
We should keep on staring at the sea. People in anxiety will crowd behind us
but we should not turn to see them.
Finally in the night or so we will turn and say "Hey Fools! What you think of sardars?".
That will be a good lesson. What do you feel?".
The other one was simply overwhelmed.
He said "that's really great!" and hugged him.
Next day the two sardars went to the beach and did according to the plan.
Soon they heard murmuring behind them and were happy.
Time passed by and the noise from behind was increasing more.
The two smiled at each other but didn't turn.
It became late night and the sardars decided to turn to see the crowd.
The sardars were shocked not because the crowd was more than expected
BUT ALL IN THE CROWD WERE SARDARS!!! Remove Comment
They felt that sardars are being ridiculed too much by others.
They wanted to teach others a good lesson. Soon they had a plan for that.
Said one Sardar to the other, "We two will go to beach tomorrow morning.
We should keep on staring at the sea. People in anxiety will crowd behind us
but we should not turn to see them.
Finally in the night or so we will turn and say "Hey Fools! What you think of sardars?".
That will be a good lesson. What do you feel?".
The other one was simply overwhelmed.
He said "that's really great!" and hugged him.
Next day the two sardars went to the beach and did according to the plan.
Soon they heard murmuring behind them and were happy.
Time passed by and the noise from behind was increasing more.
The two smiled at each other but didn't turn.
It became late night and the sardars decided to turn to see the crowd.
The sardars were shocked not because the crowd was more than expected
BUT ALL IN THE CROWD WERE SARDARS!!! Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 6/24/2005 10:32 PM Tanveer
I enjoy sardar jokes. I have been reading/listening to these jokes for many years. But I don't see them as a reflection of the sikh community. The 'sardar' in the sardar joke can be any bengali, madrasi, gujju, mallu, sheikh.
Though I belive that banning sardar jokes will be a stupid thing to do, I cannot agree the way Vir has written the article specially 'All truth has the power to offend. Take away the offence and you end up suppressing the truth'. What has sardar jokes got to do with truth!!!!
Though i feel some people are over reacting to the sardar joke in the movies, I also feel telling a sardar joke in a movie is not a good idea. Movie is a public display and it would be wise to keep sardar jokes to private audience, friends who don't mind the jokes. Remove Comment
Though I belive that banning sardar jokes will be a stupid thing to do, I cannot agree the way Vir has written the article specially 'All truth has the power to offend. Take away the offence and you end up suppressing the truth'. What has sardar jokes got to do with truth!!!!
Though i feel some people are over reacting to the sardar joke in the movies, I also feel telling a sardar joke in a movie is not a good idea. Movie is a public display and it would be wise to keep sardar jokes to private audience, friends who don't mind the jokes. Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 5/30/2005 4:35 PM samir
Kulveer veere ki gal hogayee bha tu yaar bada naraaz hogaya ain... Dnt worry man jede mazaaak udaaunde aaa unaaa ch aap hi koi khot aaaa.
Main tainu paehla bhi kya si mere saamne jaddon koi gursikh de baare galt gal kardda hai main uddi dhui ch apni baah dedinaa haaan....
Par veere main kaee baar sochddaaa kineyaan naal lade bandaa
eh jedi hindustan di dharti aa badi nashukar na garaz dharti aaa.
aitthe taan bande apni maan dhi nu becch dinde aaa paise yaan layeee
eeh sikhaan de naal ki mukaabla karange...
eh jedi hindustan di dharti aa badi nashukar na garaz dharti aaa.
aitthe taan bande apni maan dhi nu becch dinde aaa paise yaan layeee
eeh sikhaan de naal ki mukaabla karange...
i hope tainu punjabi aundiaaa nahin taan ill translate my message in english.... Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 5/30/2005 12:43 PM ashish
Vir Singhvi ka dimaag kharab ho gaya hai. Serious ilaaj karana padega Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 5/29/2005 1:44 AM abhijit
hey this is something i came across from the library............well......you can add some more to this if you feel i am going wrong......
"Sikhs are those who took up swords to protect the society.ages back when mughals had gone up in the attrocities in INDIA the first guru(sorry i do not remember his name)had called on all the Hindu families to send there every fifth child under his camp.......so that they build there own army and protect the society.so later, to identify themselves differently they started growing there hair and started wearing turban.........and later they emerged as Sikh community......so initially........Sikhs are subdivision of Hindus like jains...........well....if i have left out something do correct me as corrections are always welcome..........ALL The BEST! Remove Comment
"Sikhs are those who took up swords to protect the society.ages back when mughals had gone up in the attrocities in INDIA the first guru(sorry i do not remember his name)had called on all the Hindu families to send there every fifth child under his camp.......so that they build there own army and protect the society.so later, to identify themselves differently they started growing there hair and started wearing turban.........and later they emerged as Sikh community......so initially........Sikhs are subdivision of Hindus like jains...........well....if i have left out something do correct me as corrections are always welcome..........ALL The BEST! Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war (Vir Sanghvi). Point and Counter Point 5/29/2005 1:36 AM abhijit
hey good one dude...............especially for the 12'0 clock information which you shared with us......well...........thanks a lot.......and yes.........i have never shared a joke on any sardarji or any other community......i believer people making fun of others are the one who make fun of themselves.............so have a nice time and thankyou....for information....... Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war. Point and Counter Point 5/28/2005 9:31 PM Kulveer
Thanks Sameer,
I think you have raises a new and valid point about the Sikh Women.... if this is the cause of the troubles then it might as well go on for another thousand years.. :) Remove Comment
# re: Wagging tongue, waging war. Point and Counter Point 5/28/2005 5:46 PM Sameer
Thogh i also have shared the moments enjoying jokes on sikhs but that doesn'tmean i respect them less.In fact i respect them more than i respect my community.And this is for their bravery,their contribution towards the society, and because of their very kind and jovial nature.
I was once discussing with my friends about the poverty in india.At that time we also discussed about the beggars.We then found out taht on the roads of our cities you can find beggers from any community but from the sikh community.You will never see a sikh begging !!
We realized at that point that sikhs are very kind people who have a lot of self respect, who don't indulge in bad activities.
I was once discussing with my friends about the poverty in india.At that time we also discussed about the beggars.We then found out taht on the roads of our cities you can find beggers from any community but from the sikh community.You will never see a sikh begging !!
We realized at that point that sikhs are very kind people who have a lot of self respect, who don't indulge in bad activities.
We also joked at taht time that people who made fun of sikhs are those people who are jealous of them.As sikh men are the most luckiest on t his planet as they get the chance to marry the most beautiful girls of this world. During al these discussion one of my sikh friend was also with us.
So i just want to say people these days don't respect those who are kind and nice in behaviour.But the number of such people are very less and with your efforts they will also understand this one day.
So i just want to say people these days don't respect those who are kind and nice in behaviour.But the number of such people are very less and with your efforts they will also understand this one day.
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